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    Depression: Avonex or MS?!

    My DH was finally dx with MS after his first "exacerbation" in 2007. One minute he was apparently healthy, teaching full-time, going to school part-time, coaching softball, holding a part in the school musical, and that all came crashing down, literally, when he collapsed in his classroom and woke up dizzy and unable to walk steadily enough to do so unassisted. He was in a wheelchair for 2 months and on a cane for another month before he could walk unassisted, and slowly "got better" having never known what was wrong - it was 2 more years before MS was even brought up, and every year it happened again, his exacerbations now beginning in the winter every year like clockwork. While many see the diagnosis as a nightmare, after 7 years, finally HAVING a diagnosis was a lifesaver.
    For one thing, it means FINALLY getting treatment. His neurologist chose Avonex, (specifically, the pen, after the first month's titration) and fortunately, the side effects have mostly been mild. It has been 6 months. Right around now would be the time the symptoms would be slowly starting to creep in - the ever increasing dizziness, the tremors, numbness, the laundry list is dizzying in and of itself. . . but - they AREN'T!
    It's a little early to celebrate, however. About 2 weeks ago, it became evident that OTHER symptoms had begun to rear their ugly head - symptoms I had long forgotten about - the neuropsychological symptoms. Yes, when his physical symptoms are at their worst, he has some of these - trouble concentrating, depression, irritability - but they are secondary. These are MUCH different.
    These are symptoms he had the first time (and I could be remembering wrong - it was a LONG time ago and it was a traumatic time) but I believe some of these symptoms were occurring BEFORE the collapse. I can't be certain. Anyway - the symptoms I refer to include:
    • Severe Depression
    • Confusion/Cognitive Difficulties
    • Irritability/Irrational Behavior
    • Inappropriate Behavior/Lack of "Propriety Filter"
    • Anxiety/Loss of Appetite


    At first I assumed it was the MS - then I happened to pick up the Avonex insert and remembered the warning label...so, we call the neurologist.
    I was hoping he would get us in right away, maybe give us a referral to a specialist that could TREAT the psychological symptoms he was having...but no - he was told to stop taking the Avonex, and he would see him on Dec. 3rd - by then the meds should be out of his system...Now, I see that there is logic in this idea - it will determine IF the symptoms are related to the medication or the MS. Then we'll know. However. . .
    In the MEANTIME, he is just this side of suicidal, which means I am just this side of suicidal, he is crying 80% of the time, which means I'm crying 60% of the time, and this is supposed to go on for three more weeks. Additionally, what if it is NOT the Avonex and it IS the MS? Then, he will have gone 3 weeks without meds (from the time of the call) and may be physically symptomatic, as I have begun to wonder if THESE symptoms are so pronounced because his physical symptoms have been suppressed by the Avonex.
    Both my husband and I suffered from depression in our youth - this is way beyond that, more acute than either of us have ever seen and neither of us knows how to manage it at this point...Has anyone else experienced anything like this on Avonex? Just with MS period? Have you found a good treatment option?

    #2
    Please get him in to see a mental health provider either psychiatrist or psychiatric nurse practitioner immediately. Personally I don't feel neurologists or GPs or pediatricians are qualified to treat complicated or severe mental health issues in most cases.

    I think your concern on all levels is justified and I also would not be comfortable waiting weeks for a strategy especially because most antidepressant medication will take an additional a few weeks to reach full efficacy if he is prescribed something to aid with those symptoms.

    At this point I'm not sure it really matters what is causing it because as of right now it sounds like it is debilitating depression and I would not wait any longer before seeking an evaluation by a mental health provider to hopefully start treating it. Best wishes for you both.
    He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
    Anonymous

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      #3
      These were my instincts as well, but I also felt it was important to find one who has experience treating MS patients, as the onset of this, as it was in the past, and the very distinct symptoms, is not typical depression, and I would like someone who specializes in MS patients. The problem is, I have NO IDEA how to FIND a mental health provider with this type of specialty. Do you - or does anyone else on the board - have a suggestion for how to find one in my area - especially one who takes my insurance?

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        #4
        Not giving advice,but the things you listed sound awfully familiar.Was alot like that on Rebif,not so much on copaxone. But having to quit working and things going bad with progression,money worries, will take you down pretty hard. I don't think I will ever be the same.

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          #5
          neuropsychiatrist

          I think the name of the professional would be neuropsychiatrist. Maybe that person could direct your husband to an associated therapist that deals with his/her patients (as a team)

          It's great you're helping your husband through this huge challenge. I hope you take some time for yourself, too.

          I was diagnosed 3/11 & didn't have physical symptoms as severe as your husbands, but did develop depression. I thought is was from copaxone but was told it's probablyMS (copaxone supposedly doesn't cause depression like the interferons, but who knows?) I started an antidepressant which helped tremendously and I have no intention of going off my meds.

          Good luck to both you & your husband.

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            #6
            Avonex can worsen or cause depression. However, MS can also cause depression.

            Your husband should be receiving mental help but his neurologist should also be notified right away as he may want to immediately discontinue Avonex.

            The drastic & sudden change in your husband's life could easily cause anyone to become depressed. Whether on Avonex or not, he should be receiving some kind of help to deal with everything he is going through.
            Diagnosed: May 2012
            Medications: Avonex - stopped 12/14
            Plegridy - starting 12/14

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              #7
              Real Life amid MS???

              Ah, well...as I said, my hubby is going to school - he is finishing up. He earned his Bachelor's degree last spring after 16 YEARS of uphills battles, (including an interesting ceremony - outdoors in May in Las Vegas in a long black robe). He is now a year away from finishing his teaching credentials. Because of scheduling, the full time subbing gigs he WAS getting he can no longer take because he always has ONE class in mid-afternoon ONE day a week.

              The day-to-day subbing is not only a major pay cut, but it isn't "daily" either, so his pay is down 60% which means my 2nd job turned into a 3rd job while he is busting his butt to finish school while trying to pick up decent sub jobs WHILE dealing with these issues.

              We were also in an accident 18 months ago that we thought was a minor fender bender - funnily enough, it didn't really affect him - I ended up with a serious neck injury that has all but disabled me and put me on SO many meds, HE is taking care of me...talk about switching roles. Other than me working so much, he is doing a lot more - we have started to pay someone to help around the house once a week, though it's started to become a hardship - but we had no choice time wise, and who knows what will happen come winter without his meds?

              Time for myself? One of these days...we are both working so hard to try to make a real life despite our challenges. He has worked so hard for his career, and once he is finished, NO MORE 3 jobs . . . and no more jobs AND school for him. Imagine, 2 people, 2 jobs, and THAT's IT - if that were all we had to deal with, this whole disability thing would be a LOT easier...LOL.

              Sorry if that was a bad joke, but from this context, it was in perfectly good taste...

              This is one of those few areas we are still feeling like we are waiting for "life to begin" - the other was the diagnosis, so there are some things to be grateful for!

              Thanks for all the help guys - it really does make a difference to have someone to talk to! I did look up neuropsychiatry and neuropsychology and no such luck. I think I'll have to call the office - good luck on that one...

              Thanks again!!

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                #8
                Hi Puppymumma!

                First I want to say that I am sad to hear that you and your husband are going through so much with his MS right now. The symptoms that he is experiencing are so taxing on both of you in different ways.

                In my house, I have the MS and my husband does his best to deal with the psychological issues that come a long with the disease. For me, long before I was diagnosed with MS, I would have periods of depression and crying that couldn't be controlled. Many friends and family couldn't understand why I would be in the state I was in when there was nothing in my life to trigger such despair. The MS dx made a lot of sense and justified to me that I wasn't crazy.

                Thus, at the time of diagnosis and the time to pick a med, my husband and I, along with the guidance of my neuro at the time, selected Copaxone. So, yes, it could be the Avonex OR it could be his MS.

                I agree with the other posters to find a therapist and/or psychiatrist to help him manage this symptom. I had had a shrink for many years (that totally missed my MS) and decide it was time for a new one. Using the list of approved docs on my insurance company's website, that were in reasonable driving distance, I printed the list out, sat down with my primary care doctor and got her recommendations, in order of her preference. (There are a lot of these docs...out of many many pages, she only gave 3-5 that she knew and recommended.) Her first choice's voice mail said she wasn't accepting new patients, but I left her a message anyway telling her that I was referred to her by my primary care doctor and gave her my doctor's name. I received a call the next day and have been going to her ever since.

                During times when the depression and crying have been particularly bad (which is usually an indication that i am in an exacerbation) Xanax during the day, followed by Klonopin at bedtime has really been the lifesaver for me. It doesnt totally cure it, but makes it possible for me to live and manage on a daily basis. When I start feeling better, after at least a month or more, I do wean myself off these drugs. I do take them now, when needed, when I feel my symptoms coming on particularly when I am overtired or stressed. I am not a drug user and find myself today on more drugs than I ever would have imagined and more than I would prefer to take. (which is really none!) However, taking something to help me get through the day to be a good wife, mother and worker are most important, especially when it is beyond my control. (However, when I am in a difficult period, it is really hard for me to remember that. Initially, I wouldn't want to take the drugs and that was worse. Once these symptoms get going, I now take them quicker than I used to to break the cycle before it starts.)

                The other thing is that it is so hard for others to accept or even understand that this is the MS (assuming that you determine it's not the Avonex) or if it is a side effect from the drug, that it is not something your DH can control. Even to this day, most of my friends still can't understand it at all...only a couple do....I still hear that "you have a wonderful family with a husband that loves you, beautiful and healthy daughters and a good job, why can't you be happy?". (yes, all those things are true...but i just keep crying!). Some of those people will never change and now I just avoid contact with those when I am not feeling well. I feel sad that they can't understand, but I have to accept that and just do the best I can when these MS symptoms are flaring during an exacerbation.

                My heart breaks for your husband as I have walked that walk so many times over the years (mine is from the MS) and know how debilitating that feeling is. It can be so overwhelming to cope with...I feel sad for you both that he is dealing with this right now. Many times over the past ten to twenty years, before I knew I had MS, this was so difficult and painful for me that I seriously considered checking myself into a mental hospital. I know that he can get through this and so can you!! Please do find a mental health provider to help you both get through this very difficult time!!

                Big hugs and prayers to you both!!

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