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    Lesions vs. Symptoms

    IS THERE A LESION FOR EVERY SYMPTOM?

    It seems that one of the most difficult questions on the forum is "What relationship there is between lesions actually seen on the MRI's and the symptoms that one has?" Can you reliably see a lesion for every symptom? Is there a symptom or can you find an abnormality on the physical exam for every lesion that is seen?

    The answer is an unqualified, "NO." Too many doctors, neurologists and people try to draw conclusions about this. It may be one of the greatest pitfalls in using MRIs to diagnose Multiple Sclerosis.

    THE BRAIN

    First, lets talk about the BRAIN. Remember that about 90% or so of our brains are "unused." That means that we don't know what those areas do when they are healthy or might do if they are damaged. ALL of the scientific articles are clear that the majority of MS lesions in the brain are not "eloquent", that is, they don't "speak up" with actions or sensations in the body.

    The same is true that those areas don't show symptoms if they are damaged. No good MS Specialist is going to try to map all the lesions with the symptoms that are showing up in the patient. It is almost impossible and it is a waste of time. It is well documented that some people with many, severe symptoms may have very few visible lesions. And some people who are diagnosed when they have just one symptom may have a whole brain full of lesions on their first MRI which had never before "spoken up."

    Many lesions in MS are still invisible. All good MS doc's will tell you that they believe that many brain lesions are still invisible to the MRI. The National MS Society site states that 5% of people with MS have "normal" MRIs. If they are invisible, then of course they can't be used to diagnose MS.

    But, also a negative MRI does not completely rule out MS in a person with a history and physical findings that suggest the disease.

    Now, some lesions can be big enough and in known active areas so that we can recognize that those lesions are causing a specific symptom. But this is the exception, not the rule.

    MS "tends" to cause lesions within a characteristic pattern in the brain. But this just means that, when you look at a large number of people with MS and plot all of their lesions, the majority of lesions will fall into this pattern.

    This pattern is generally symmetrical side to side, but not a perfect mirror-image. Any one person or any person with just a few lesions may have them occur in any white matter location. . Even people with a "characteristic pattern of lesions" will have some that don't fall into the perfect "zones." Please reread those last two sentences.

    The more the lesions follow the common pattern, the easier the job of the neurologist, and the easier the diagnosis. It's those people with suggestive symptoms and suggestive abnormalities on physical exam but WHO HAVE NO LESIONS, VERY FEW LESIONS, OR LESIONS IN LESS USUAL PLACES that will have a tougher time with the diagnosis (if they have MS).

    Too many people are told that their lesions "aren't in the right place so they don't have MS." Or they are told that they don't have enough lesions, so they do not have MS." In reality they shouldn't have been told they don't possibly have MS. They should be told that the MRI is inconclusive.

    In this case the neurologist, if he suspected MS before the MRI, should continue to suspect it after the MRI and do more extensive testing. Also, plans should be made to repeat the neuro exam and the MRI at intervals like every 6 months or at some interval or if the patient develops more symptoms.

    The point to take home: Most lesions seen in the MRI of the brain do not correlate well with the problems the patient has. A good doctor will not try to tell you different. And you shouldn't spin your wheels trying to look up mapping of the brain - unless that is something you would do anyway for giggles.

    THE EXCEPTION:
    THE BRAINSTEM AND SPINE

    The nerves in the brainstem and spine are all "eloquent" to some extent. They drive the functions and the movement of the body and they relay information like sensations from the body back to the brain. A small area of damaged myelin in the spine is "more likely" to cause a direct symptom or problem.

    Spinal lesions are a little less common than brain lesions, but more directly connected (in an obvious way) to our disease. But, also many spinal lesions are still invisible. One of the reasons for them being invisible is that they are harder to get good clear MRI images on. This appears to be one of the strengths of the newer generation of MRI machines.

    They have a higher magnet strength and because of this they have a higher resolution. They can see smaller lesions. The strongest MRI machines currently in clinical use today use a 3 Tesla magnet. Tesla is the "unit of measurement" of magnets, like "amps" is the unit of measurement of an amplifier.

    Older MRI machines, which are by far the most common in use, may use a magnet that is 1.5Tesla or weaker. Much stronger magnet MRI machines are being developed, but currently are used only in research.

    Lesions in the brainstem and spine are stronger evidence for the presence of MS than are lesions in the brain. This is because there are many disorders that cause brain lesions, but many fewer that cause lesions in the spinal cord or the brainstem. Lesions here are very localizing, meaning they cause specific symptoms that are seen on the neurological exam that correlate with the lesion itself.

    The take home is:
    Brain lesions do not always correlate directly with symptoms specifically.
    Brainstem and spinal lesions correlate more directly with symptoms.
    Disabled RN with MS for 14 years
    SPMS EDSS 7.5 Wheelchair (but a racing one)
    Tysabri

    #2
    22cyclist, thank you so much for posting this! Your explanation was great and so helpful.

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      #3
      Thank you for taking the time to put this post together - very informative and helpful
      RRMS 2011, Copaxone 2011-2013, Tecfidera 2013-current

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        #4
        Thank you for this information, it explains why I have the symptoms I have. I was dx'd 8/09, had brain lesions & was sent back the next day for the spinal mri & lesions there. My neuro is good & he may have explained it to me this way but I was overwhelmed with so much info. It makes since now! Great information.

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          #5
          Upright MRI

          My most recent MRI was of my upper back, neck and brain in a new Upright MRI (sitting between the magnets on either side). I'm clostrophobic so this new MRI is great. I did not know to ask the tesla strength.
          The results included a lesion in the brain and on my neck spinal column. My left leg and arm to a lesser degree are numb and do not work well. Thanks for this info, it is very helpful.

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            #6
            Thanks...very informative. Ovoid plaques were found in/on left and right frontal lobes of my brain on 2 MRI's, a year apart. Went to neuro and due to some of my symptoms, I'm waiting for an eye and ear test and a thoracic MRI on the 23rd and hopefully will finally get some results after 7 years.

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              #7
              great post 22.. thanks so much.. I know I have done a ton of research myself trying to see how my brain lesions will and or are effecting me. I had a brain MRI twice last year.. the first in May was clear the second in December showed confluent periventricular lesions.. I complained of excessive yarning and headaches. I don't yarn so much now unless I am sleepy but I get a lot of headaches.. some of which are do to my TN.
              limbo land for 1 year and 4 months DX February 2012 Copaxon February 2012 for 6 months. No DMD's since.

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                #8
                Thanks for posting

                I had my third MRI in as many years and this year the scan showed two small lesions on the spine where before I only had one / diagnosis CIS.

                My neuro said it. Was probably due to the higher res MRI and that the had always been there.

                This thread reinforces that!
                Diagnosed 9/2010, copaxone 10/10, avonex 10/12

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