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    Links beetween MS and Root canals??

    Hello all, Im new here although have been diagnosed for 12 years. Im always looking for a reason or cure not being addressed from the profit industry we all belong to. Has anyone ever linked root canals to ms? Or any other dentil procedures? Thanks, Marc

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    No one has ever correctly linked root canals to MS. There is no connection between the two. MS is caused by antibodies and chemicals. Teeth don't make antibodies to myelin and dental nerves are part of the peripheral nervous system, not the central nervous system where MS works. No connection.

    There might be a possibility that trauma can trigger inflammatory chemicals that can cause a flare in people who already have a genetic predisposition to MS and have experienced some other environmental trigger. That hasn't been proved tho.

    Assuming that that's possible the person has to already be predisposed to MS. Plus the supposed event is some kind of trauma in general not dental procedures in particular.

    If you think that a root canal "caused" your MS, the root canal didn't "cause" it. It would be because you were "all set to go" for an MS attack - antibodies and proteins already present and circulating - and might already have had some mild symptoms of MS that you didn't pay any attention to. And it wouldn't be because it was a root canal it would be because your body felt that the surgery was a traumatic event and the inflammatory response sent your immune system into action. The same thing might have happened if you had been hit by a bus instead. Some people say they had their first big noticeable flare after being in a car accident.

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      #3
      I've never had a root canal so I'd say, no, they don't "cause" MS.
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        #4
        You are right Marc, we a part of a huge profit industry.

        But, I have never had a root canal and I don't have any fillings. No dental work except cleanings once a year.

        Don't see the connection.
        Katie
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          #5
          In theory, no ...

          but my first signs and symptoms started after I had three large filling restorations over a four week period. The last one, in particular, was a doozie. Took a long time to become less sensitive, then started hurting again (in the trigeminal area, oddly ... couldn't figure out why it hurt behind my eye when it was a filling). Had two more session of that pain over the next eight months, then full blown trigeminal neuralgia in January.

          Weird.

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            #6
            I've had two root canals. The first was probably 5 years, or so, prior to MS.

            The second occurred absolutely in conjunction with the beginning of my MS.
            I was in pain for about a week (Thursday through Thursday), waiting for my root canal appointment. On top of that, on Tuesday, I came down with what I thought were weird flu symptoms -- exhausted and so-o-o dizzy that I couldn't leave my recliner. I called in sick Tues through Thurs, and my husband took Thursday off because I was still too dizzy to drive the 30 miles to my root canal appointment. Too dizzy, even, to sit upright in the car while he drove.
            That night, I had stroke-like symptoms, and went to the ER to begin my journey to diagnosis.

            I've never thought that it was the root canal, specifically, that is connected to MS. I've just observed, repeatedly, over time, that any kind of stress often trigger MS flares in me. So, in that case, I believe it was the physical stress of the dental pain that triggered it. Other times, it has been anxiety, or, even "good stress", as I excitedly anticipate an upcoming event.

            MSer102's explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

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              #7
              No root canals for me either.

              I always say that my MS trigger happened after I had adult chicken pox and the stress from my father passing.
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                #8
                Obviosly a well spoken/well written 100% industry standard answer. No link to any known cause. Just keep taking the meds. From what I understand MS is the milan sheath eroding from a 2 or more nerves and allowing are systems to reak havoc. Thats whats wrong with you but cant help ya and dont know what caused it. Now I understand that many have not had root canals. Im not saying its the cause but isnt it possible its one of the causes? If you dont know the cause how can you rule out anything? We all have different symptoms, so why is it that we all have had to get MS the same way. Its just a label for disapearing mylin sheath AKA Immune disfunction. My MRI's show lesions in my brain and spine and have been looked at by 5 nuro's includuding Boston, Ma. MS speacialist. They all say MS but my spinal fluid came up NEG. Im just saying, isnt it possible we get it from different things?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by marcdohc View Post
                  Obviosly a well spoken/well written 100% industry standard answer. No link to any known cause. Just keep taking the meds.
                  My answer is based on my 12 year experience ... not an industry standard answer. I think it's safe to speak for all of us when I say we would love nothing more than to know the cause ... our doctors too. Until then we can only speculate.

                  Originally posted by marcdohc View Post
                  Im just saying, isnt it possible we get it from different things?
                  I think everyone that's posted on this thread indicated different triggers, although stress seems to be a common indicator. No one is disagreeing ... its just their experience and that's really all we can bring to the table.

                  I didn't have a root canal but I have MS. No family history of it either. I drew the lucky card.

                  Be well,
                  Ceci
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by marcdohc View Post
                    They all say MS but my spinal fluid came up NEG.
                    You aren't alone. The estimate is that about 10% of people with clinically definite MS have normal spinal fluid. MS is a complex, multifactorial disease with a vast and unknown number of variations.

                    Originally posted by marcdohc View Post
                    Im just saying, isnt it possible we get it from different things?
                    Yes, that's exactly the point. The number of genetic combinations and possible environmental triggers is so vast that it's virtually impossible to know which one was "the" cause in any person because it's impossible to know all of the things a person has been exposed to in their lifetime and how the body reacted to each and every one of them. So you are right that there are reasons or "cures" that aren't being addressed. That's because there are so many possibilities and not enough money and probably not even the technology yet to know or understand them.

                    But that doesn't mean that what's scientifically known about MS and how the body works goes out the window. And that's why the dental procedures theory doesn't fly. At least not in the way you want it to just because you thought it up like it hasn't ever come up before in the last 100 years.

                    You have to remember that MS is a disease with a immunological/chemical basis. For ALL autoimmune diseases the "cause" is a genetic predisposition - which explains why people who are exposed to exactly the same things don't develop diseases or the same diseases - and some kind of an environmental trigger - which usually can't be known. It isn't just that someone says "on, we don't know" it's that the number of possible combinations of genes and triggers is ASTRONOMICAL with so many factors being unknown that it's almost impossible to know.

                    If you lived basically in a bubble and scientists had done an extensive analysis of your genome and epigenome and genetics and epigenetics and every single molecule of everything that you were ever exposed to and did constant chemical analyses of every process that was going on in your body with absolutely everything, it might be possible for them to have an idea of what might have caused your MS. But they still might not know for sure because the technology to map and understand genes has only been around for a relatively few years and the ASTRONOMICAL number of genetic combinations associated with all body processes and diseases still isn't known.

                    The immune system is based on antibodies and other proteins and chemicals in vast combinations. MS is a chemical disease not a mechanical disease. So the mechanical processes of a root canal wouldn't be a factor. Only the chemical ones would be. So there's nothing mechanical about a root canal itself that would "cause" MS. And the proof of that is that millions of people get root canals and never develop MS. MS existed long before root canals were even being done as a procedure.

                    As I said before the argument can be made that something chemically can be the environmental trigger in a person who is genetically predisposed to MS. Since you have MS you were obviously genetically predisposed. So it's possible that the anesthetic used during the procedure might have been the environmental trigger. It's possible that the antibiotics might have been the environmental trigger. But that's not the same thing as saying that the root canal was the trigger. Millions of people have the same anesthetic and antibiotics and don't develop MS.

                    And it can't be known whether the environmental trigger wasn't instead a virus that someone in the dentist's waiting room who had a cough was spewing into the air that you breathed in.

                    The number of possible combinations of factors and responses just can't be known.

                    The reason you were diagnosed with MS and the reason that several neurologists agreed with the diagnosis is that over the last 100 years or so, thousands of people who have devoted their lives to the study of MS and neurology and autoimmunity have recognized the traits that make MS MS and distinguish it from all other known diseases and conditions, and your presentation matches the condition that's been named MS.

                    But until we have the technology to find and analyze all of the astronomical numbers of combinations of chemicals and processes that make up MS it will be impossible to know all of the details involved with MS in general and MS as it affects individuals.

                    There's no conspiracy to hide what caused your MS. The understanding about MS is that we DO all have different triggers and express it different ways. But that doesn't mean that you can come up with one thing like a root canal that there isn't a scientific basis for and then decide on your own that there's some kind of conspiracy to keep the cause of your MS hidden or prevent a cure of MS or any disease for that matter.

                    When there are billions and billions of dollars available to develop the technology to discover why the human body does EVERYTHING that it does, the cause of MS will be known.

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                      #11
                      Sorry, Little concentration issue here. I cant concerntrate long enough to read your text book like answer. The more I read of your statements, the more suspect i am to your authenticity.

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                        #12
                        marcdohc -- are you trolling this forum? We aren't part of your conspiracy, just a bunch of people with MS offering our experience and knowledge. These are all great explanations.

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                          #13
                          You may want to explore the connection between wounds, mast cells, the blood brain barrier and the triggering of MS- a researcher at Tufts has done many studies.

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