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    Regardless of progression or non progression... does the damage that has already been done continue or get worse as time goes on? Would that explain the ongoing symptoms and new symptoms? My neuro thinks I have kind of reached a place where things are "stable" as far as new lesions, but also says the damage has already been done.
    Marti




    The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep.

    #2
    Originally posted by marti View Post
    Regardless of progression or non progression... does the damage that has already been done continue or get worse as time goes on? Would that explain the ongoing symptoms and new symptoms? My neuro thinks I have kind of reached a place where things are "stable" as far as new lesions, but also says the damage has already been done.
    Hi marti

    Some of my neurological deficits have continued to worsen over time, while some have been stable for several years, and some have even improved.

    And then there are the sneaky, nasty ones that come out from hiding when I'm sick with a virus/infection - and disappear after recovery, thank goodness. Hopefully they stay away and never progress further.

    Not sure that I have helped with your questions. Hopefully you get more responses.

    Take Care
    PPMS for 26 years (dx 1998)
    ~ Worrying will not take away tomorrow's troubles ~ But it will take away today's peace. ~

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      #3
      My MRIs are stable, but have had status quo and worsening of some symptoms. I have also had new symptoms. My EDSS score has remained fairly stable, but has changed the last 24 months, primarily balance issues.

      Some due to existing lesions, sone probably due to lesions that may be too small to see with current technology. Likewise, some lesions could occur and disappear before annual MRI picks up. Neuroscience know the MRI can't explain the full picture.

      I also know part of it is a catch-22. Not moving as much as harder now, but that then causes it's own issues.
      Kathy
      DX 01/06, currently on Tysabri

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        #4
        Originally posted by pennstater View Post
        sone probably due to lesions that may be too small to see with current technology.
        If the latest and greatest isn't used, does that mean there could be lesions that aren't being seen?

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          #5
          Originally posted by jamilea View Post
          If the latest and greatest isn't used, does that mean there could be lesions that aren't being seen?

          I've always wondered why we don't have more frequent MRI's to keep up with changes.
          Marti




          The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep.

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            #6
            Originally posted by jamilea View Post
            If the latest and greatest isn't used, does that mean there could be lesions that aren't being seen?
            Even using the latest and greatest, there are lesions too small to detect. That is why neurologists are urged to treat the patient, not the MRI. The MRI is part of the puzzle, but not all.
            Kathy
            DX 01/06, currently on Tysabri

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              #7
              Originally posted by jamilea View Post
              If the latest and greatest isn't used, does that mean there could be lesions that aren't being seen?
              MRI's are expensive, and, as others said, don't give the whole picture.

              I had 7 MRI's during the first two years (2002 - 2003) to help diagnose me. But since then, my MS Specialist does one once every five years (2008, 2013) as one more way to look at progress.
              ~ Faith
              MSWorld Volunteer -- Moderator since JUN2012
              (now a Mimibug)

              Symptoms began in JAN02
              - Dx with RRMS in OCT03, following 21 months of limbo, ruling out lots of other dx, and some "probable stroke" and "probable CNS" dx for awhile.
              - In 2008, I was back in limbo briefly, then re-dx w/ MS: JUL08
              .

              - Betaseron NOV03-AUG08; Copaxone20 SEPT08-APR15; Copaxone40 APR15-present
              - Began receiving SSDI / LTD NOV08. Not employed. I volunteer in my church and community.

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                #8
                Originally posted by pennstater View Post
                My MRIs are stable, but have had status quo and worsening of some symptoms. I have also had new symptoms. My EDSS score has remained fairly stable, but has changed the last 24 months, primarily balance issues.

                Some due to existing lesions, sone probably due to lesions that may be too small to see with current technology. Likewise, some lesions could occur and disappear before annual MRI picks up. Neuroscience know the MRI can't explain the full picture.

                I also know part of it is a catch-22. Not moving as much as harder now, but that then causes it's own issues.


                I think you answered my question. Thanks. Damage can and does continue for some people. Right?
                Marti




                The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by marti View Post
                  I think you answered my question. Thanks. Damage can and does continue for some people. Right?
                  Yes, Marti. My MRIs have remained stable for many years, but I continue to progress. I know axonal nerve endings can eventually fray to the point they are severed. Current technology just can't see the damage that really has been done, and continues to be done. MRIs are a window, but are not even close to a magnifying glass to what is happening inside our bodies. (For now, only an autopsy can provide more information)
                  Kimba

                  “When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.” ― Max Planck

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by marti View Post
                    I think you answered my question. Thanks. Damage can and does continue for some people. Right?
                    Yes; probably for most of us. MS is a progressive illness.
                    ~ Faith
                    MSWorld Volunteer -- Moderator since JUN2012
                    (now a Mimibug)

                    Symptoms began in JAN02
                    - Dx with RRMS in OCT03, following 21 months of limbo, ruling out lots of other dx, and some "probable stroke" and "probable CNS" dx for awhile.
                    - In 2008, I was back in limbo briefly, then re-dx w/ MS: JUL08
                    .

                    - Betaseron NOV03-AUG08; Copaxone20 SEPT08-APR15; Copaxone40 APR15-present
                    - Began receiving SSDI / LTD NOV08. Not employed. I volunteer in my church and community.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by marti View Post
                      I've always wondered why we don't have more frequent MRI's to keep up with changes.
                      Me too. I wish this forum had a "like" feature so we can let someone know we agree with them or whatever without actually saying it lol

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jamilea View Post
                        Me too. I wish this forum had a "like" feature so we can let someone know we agree with them or whatever without actually saying it lol


                        I've said that myself. I guess we could use the icons at the bottom. I'll try it for you. By the way... how's the new doctor going??
                        Marti




                        The only cure for insomnia is to get more sleep.

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