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    Insurance denied MRI

    Background: I'm in limbo and haven't had a brain MRI in 2.5 years. The first was normal, almost. There was a possible lesion at the very base of it, an area that correlates with a lot of my symptoms, but a followup c-spine MRI on that area came back normal a few months later. I've had a VNG that showed lesions, a slightly abnormal EEG and a BAER that gave confusing results.

    Everyone keeps telling me these symptoms are from migraines. I've pretty much given up on finding out what's wrong. I know it's not migraines and so do the local docs. Unfortunately, they can't diagnose me because nothing is showing up on the "objective" tests.

    I had a followup with the local neuro, who actually writes down symptoms and dates, and let him know I've had these spots in my vision that can't be detected by a visual field test because they're the same size as the dots on the exam. A few months ago, there was a patch of 20 or 30 of them. A month later, there were maybe 50 or 60. Another month went by and there were around 80. Now there are a couple hundred of them. They're always there, and have been gradually getting worse over the course of the last few months.

    He felt an MRI would be prudent. I tried to decline the test, reminding him that these MRIs never show anything and I'd rather not waste an MRI on something that isn't a major problem yet. He insisted, put in the order, the imaging center called and scheduled the appointment right away, then contacted me to let me know the insurance company denied it, requiring a lengthy appeal to have it reviewed a second time.

    I'm not sure whether to pursue this or not. They're reasoning was that (after the office sent them my entire file, according to the gal who works with insurance there) my symptoms were common with migraines and tension headaches.

    Here's the thing, and maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I'm aware, visual disturbances from headaches usually last about 30 minutes and disappear when the headache comes on. These have lasted for months. These docs who keep saying this is from migraines never ask how long these spots last, just if I have them. I've never heard of visual disturbances progressing over the course of months from any sort of headache.

    So do I pursue this, or not? I'm sort of not interested, but if this neuro thinks it's a good idea, maybe I should. I'm just not that interested in putting up a fuss over a test right now.
    It's not fatigue. It's a Superwoman hangover.

    #2
    It sounds to me like a visit to an ophthalmologist would be more useful than an MRI...
    1st sx 11/26/09; Copaxone from 12/1/11 to 7/13/18
    NOT ALL SX ARE MS!

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      #3
      Originally posted by lusciousleaves View Post
      I had a followup with the local neuro, who actually writes down symptoms and dates, and let him know I've had these spots in my vision that can't be detected by a visual field test because they're the same size as the dots on the exam. A few months ago, there was a patch of 20 or 30 of them. A month later, there were maybe 50 or 60. Another month went by and there were around 80. Now there are a couple hundred of them. They're always there, and have been gradually getting worse over the course of the last few months.
      I've done many visual field tests over the years and none of what your saying sounds right. The lights on the test are all different sizes and brightnesses and they show at random and can be chosen to be certain distances apart so it can't be that ALL of them are exactly the same sizes as the spots in your vision. A couple of hundred spots have to show up somewhere!

      Maybe its time for you to go back to the ophthalmologist to find out what's going on? What your saying about the field test doesn't sound right and there might be some other things about your eyes that your eye doctor didn't tell you or you didn't understand. The ophthalmologist has to examine you NOW to decide what kind of test to use to get the problems to show up. It doesn't help you to imagine things about a test that might not even be true and then use that as a reason not to get tested properly. A trip to the ophthalmologist should be cheaper than an MRI and get you some updated information.

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        #4
        I was just there in January, when there were far fewer of these. The one test she didn't do that showed them last winter (there were only 3 spots last January), was that grid test. But it's subjective, and she wrote it off to "maybe it's from a light shining in your eye." This time, she determined they were from migraines, but never asked me if they ever go away. Last year, she called them static scotomas.

        I could call there again. She said to come back if anything changed, but said my exam was perfectly normal. This was a neuro-ophth.
        It's not fatigue. It's a Superwoman hangover.

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          #5
          Actually, MRI is covered 100%, and most likely why insurance is denying our tests all of a sudden. When we paid a higher copay and deductible, they never denied a test. The neuro-ophth is out-of-network, so out of pocket for us, not them.
          It's not fatigue. It's a Superwoman hangover.

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            #6
            From "only 3 spots last January" to "a couple hundred" is a big change, and definitely cause to revisit the ophth.

            MSer is right: it's foolish to think that you know what the outcome of an exam will be. In the case of visual sx, I'd say that goes double. Our brains are amazing at making visual defects appear to be other than they really are (or to put it another way, you can't necessarily believe what you're seeing)...
            1st sx 11/26/09; Copaxone from 12/1/11 to 7/13/18
            NOT ALL SX ARE MS!

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              #7
              Originally posted by lusciousleaves View Post
              The neuro-ophth is out-of-network, so out of pocket for us, not them.
              Can you see a regular ophth in-network? A second opinion would be a plus in any case, and I'll bet your insurance will pay more toward a visit to a neuro-ophth if a regular ophth made a referral (which a good one will do if they're stumped)...
              1st sx 11/26/09; Copaxone from 12/1/11 to 7/13/18
              NOT ALL SX ARE MS!

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                #8
                Originally posted by MarkLavelle View Post
                Can you see a regular ophth in-network? A second opinion would be a plus in any case, and I'll bet your insurance will pay more toward a visit to a neuro-ophth if a regular ophth made a referral (which a good one will do if they're stumped)...
                I don't know any ophths in-network. I'll just give the neuro-ophth a call and let her know things have progressed. She's not dismissive, and is always concerned about how things have been going. I could have been more assertive about this, but wasn't. I've been waiting for this symptom to get better and go away like the rest have done. It's probably time to stop waiting and get this checked out again. She would want to know about it.

                It hadn't occurred to me to go that route, for some reason.
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                  #9
                  I have had migraine headaches with visual disturbance as the aura preceding the headache. When the headache comes on, the vision change goes away.

                  And when I have had ON, the visual field changes have always shown up, even when very small. The machine re-tests any questionable area until the results are clear - normal or abnormal.

                  The the migraine aura seemed very similar to ON at first, but when I took aspirin or ibuprofen, the aura/headache went away, ON does not.

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                    #10
                    I think if you dispute a denial often times they will pay.

                    The other option would be to pay out of pocket if you really think it is necessary. I know this isn't ideal but if there is something you truly think you need imo it would be worth paying for it if you can.

                    I go to the physician I want to see rather than just picking from a list in my network when I feel it is important.

                    Good luck.
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                      #11
                      FWIW, my insurance company gave my neuro's office all sorts of grief for my annual MRI last week, when usually they approve it within minutes. Maybe insurance companies are tightening their pocketbooks?

                      That being said, I'd absolutely get back to an ophthalmologist if you can, ASAP.

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                        #12
                        Who knows? Maybe I'll end up doing both before long. They wouldn't schedule me with a regular ophth because these were static spots, not floating spots. It will be 3 weeks before I can be seen by the neuro-ophth. By then, the MRI appeal process will be over. Either way, it's going to be a wait. Now watch, the spots will clear up before either one happens. You know . . . car . . . mechanic . . . etc.
                        It's not fatigue. It's a Superwoman hangover.

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                          #13
                          lusciuosleaves,
                          From your lips to God's ears.
                          Don't you just love the fact that we rely on these experts and they give us their 'best guesses'. And they ask for us to tested, in a myriad of ways, and they still give us 'guesses'. Good luck

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by MarkLavelle View Post
                            It sounds to me like a visit to an ophthalmologist would be more useful than an MRI...
                            Thank you, MarkLavelle, for your input on this. I followed through and scheduled an appointment. She saw something this time. Those spots are cells somewhere in my eyes that shouldn't be there. She referred me to a retina specialist, and I'll find out more.

                            The differential is the same as it always was, minus the complex migraines, anxiety and conversion disorder. Thank you!
                            It's not fatigue. It's a Superwoman hangover.

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                              #15
                              I'm so glad you're starting to get some answers. Good luck with the retina doc!
                              1st sx 11/26/09; Copaxone from 12/1/11 to 7/13/18
                              NOT ALL SX ARE MS!

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