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    Tysabri rebound right now

    I started Tysabri five years ago in November. I had been dx as RRMS in 2005 after a year of struggling to get a diagnosis.

    I tried Copaxone for a few years, then Rebif, and then Tysabri. I continued to have relapses and side effect issues with C and R.

    Once I was on Tysabri for a few months, I had no more relapses. I felt very good for a person with MS and continued working full-time as a teacher and treating symptoms with Baclofen and Provigil.

    In September of this year I tested JC+ and decided to go off Tysabri because I had been on it for almost 5 years and I was having other health issues. My neuro argued with me that I should stay on it even though I potentially had all of the risk factors for PML (I was unsure at that time of what else was going on with me medically as it could potentially have been cancer). I insisted I wasn't willing to gamble my life so he no longer wanted me as a patient.

    My last infusion was September 6th.

    I saw a new neurologist on October 24 and filled out the paperwork to start Tecfidera. Tecfidera was my top choice because I just learned in mid-October that I was dealing with nonalcholic steatohepatitis with cirrhosis and that my liver was failing and I would eventually need a transplant.

    Since the end of October I have been having a worsening of symptoms that started with weakness in my legs, dizziness, uncoordination, and balance issues. I did a 3 day course of high-dose oral steroids (Prednisone 20 pills of 50 mg = 1000 mg a day for 3 days.) Nov. 6-8.

    Since that time I have continued to get worse and grow weaker. This culminated in me going from walking completely unassisted and exercising 2 hours a day to using a cane, then a walker. This past week I have been experiencing severe weakness in both arms, hands, and in my torso. I was admitted to the hospital the night before Thanksgiving and was released on Saturday afternoon.

    I am debilitated in almost every way at the moment. It is difficult for me to stay sitting upright unassisted, my arms and legs are all very weak and I can barely walk with the walker. My legs are completely spastic and my arms are twitching, numb, and burning at the same time. I am having a great deal of pain in my joints.

    The neurologists at the hospital did new brain MRIs to compare to my previous set done in early October. There was no change on the MRI with lesion load and nothing was enhancing. They did not do repeat MRIs of my spine, although I have had one lesion at C3-4 since 2005.

    They have decided that this was the Tysabri rebound effect. I am not considered by them to be in a relapse because there's nothing going on that is new in the MRIs. I am home now and barely able to get around but I am resting a lot. I have lost ten pounds in less than one week, despite the fact that I am eating regularly.

    The steroids did nothing earlier because this isn't a relapse. There is nothing they can do for me medically at the moment. They have referred me to have in-home PT and I am hoping to be evaluated for that on Tuesday.

    I did start Tecfidera today and have dealt with the facial flushing and burning up feeling with both doses. I did eat before the second dose and that seemed to make the flushing start later but it lasted longer with the second dose. It is what it is at this point.

    I have not been able to drive for several weeks now and I live alone with almost no family support. I am happily single at 43 (after getting divorced in 2000) , I have no significant other, no kids, and my friends have been trying to bring me to my medical appointments which are all at least 45 minutes to an hour and a half away.

    I have been unable to work since September 20 and am now out on a paid medical leave until Jan. 2. I have an appointment to be evaluated for several on-going health issues at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN starting on Jan. 20.

    I have no idea how much Tysabri has played into my liver damage because my numbers have been up and down for several years now and no one thought it was a big deal.

    I'm not trying to scare anyone into stopping Tysabri or frighten anyone away from starting Tysabri. I just simply wanted to post my situation in case it is helpful for anyone else. I'll be honest and say that no one had ever even mentioned the rebound effect to me before my hospitalization. I am aware now that not everyone deals with it but I am and it's not pretty.

    I have no idea how long this rebound effect will last or how much I may be affected long term. I'm staying as positive as I can, reserving my strength for what's absolutely needed, and trying to maintain adequate nutrition.

    I am concerned with Tecfidera just because it's new and no one knows the long term side effects. Even this rebound effect of Tysabri isn't mentioned often to many people, from what I can find on web searches. Most of the research on that has been done in Europe and with very small populations. I'm also concerned because Tecfidera is made by Biogen which makes Tysabri. If they're not being open about some of these effects of Tysabri what else is big pharma not telling me?

    It's all food for thought.

    Good luck with your Tysabri journey, wherever you may be in it,
    J
    Dx RRMS 12/05, RNY Gastric Bypass 12/12, NASH Cirrhosis 12/12, JCV+ 9/13

    Copaxone started 12/05, Switched to Rebif 11/07, Tysabri 10/08-9/13, Moved to Tecfidera 12/1/13

    #2
    brooks1teacher, I'm so sorry to hear that you are experiencing Ty rebound. I'll spare you the details of my own physical rebound sx's.

    I also became very excitable and fragile emotionally. As distressing, (or more?), as the physical decline.

    Recovery has not been quick for me, almost 2yrs and I still have some residual effects, but am greately improved and stable. This may be my new 'baseline'.

    Hoping for a quick recovery for you and that Tecfidera will aid your rebound recovery.

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      #3
      I am so sorry to hear you are having a rebound effect. I just started Ty and just posted how great I am doing on it. My MS Specialist did explain the Rebound Effect to me, so I think it is something we are all learning about as we go along. I went on TY because I had to...it was my last chance with the exception of Chemo because I did not have the opportunity to wait for any of the Orals to kick in.

      I did notice you said you did not have Spinal MRIs done. You might want to consider having one done. C-Spine lesions are #%###%! Just a thought.

      Give Tec some time. The Boards here do not reflect the experiences of my MS Group. Most of them are having very positive experiences and the first set of MRIs have just come in for several of them and all were good! We are all very open with each other and do share our experiences and test results.

      Hang in there.
      Katie
      "Yep, I have MS, and it does have Me!"
      "My MS is a Journey for One."
      Dx: 1999 DMDS: Avonex, Copaxone, Rebif, currently on Tysabri

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        #4
        brooks1teacher - I am so sorry that the rebound is affecting you to this extent and msw1963 that it has been 2 years for you fighting the effects of stopping Tysbari.

        The rebound effect scares me more than PML does. And just the unknown of how I would be if I stopped the infusions. It just isn't a chance I want to take.

        I think it is good that everyone who does have bad side effects or suffers from effects of going off of the drug post their stories. This is a wonderful drug for so many people, but it does have its side effects and people need to know all sides of the story to help them make an informed decision.

        brooks1teacher - I can't get over the fact that your doctor wouldn't see you because you went against his advice. That is horrible. Most doctors go the other way, and insist people go off of it after testing positive.

        I hope things get better for you. Please let us know how the in home PT goes.

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          #5
          I want to say how sorry I am that you are going thru so much. I am another one that stopped TY because of being jcv+. I am now on Tecfidera also.

          I hope you start feeling better soon.
          God Bless Us All

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            #6
            Thank you

            Thank you to those of you who have posted and offered encouragement and support.

            I loved Tysabri while I was on it and I was in remission for several years. That helped me to make a big life decision which happened on December 17, 2012. I had RNY gastric bypass surgery and since then I have gotten rid of 120 excess pounds and started exercising again, which I wasn't able to do because of all that extra poundage I was carrying around. I am very petite and the last MS Walk I did in 2011, I wasn't even able to walk a half-mile. This year I missed the MS Walk because I did the Color Me Rad 5K on that day instead.

            Tysabri became my next option after I wasn't able to tolerate a few years on Copaxone and then Rebif. I truly thought Tyabri was a wonder drug because I did so well on it.

            My neurologist never mentioned the rebound effect to me once and he was infuriated when I wanted to stop Tysabri after testing positive and being on it for almost 5 years. In mid-October I learned that a liver biopsy done during my gastric bypass last year showed that I had nonalcoholic steatohepatitis with cirrhosis. My liver is damaged to the point that it's not able to repair itself and I will be getting an evaluation to be placed on the transplant list.

            I'm not blaming Tysabri for my liver issues. I blame myself for my lifestyle choices of eating crappy food and not moving enough for years. Do I think Tysabri exacerbated the liver issues? It probably did but the primary blame lies with me.

            I am very angry with my bypass surgeon who did not tell me about the cirrhosis. When I asked him what the biopsy showed he told me I had fatty liver and that it would go away as I lost weight. That was not at all what the biopsy showed and I now have a copy of that pathology report which was also never shared with any of my physicians. I would have immediately stopped Tysabri last year if I had known the extent of the liver damage at that time.

            That's neither here nor there and it is what it is.

            Would I still have taken Tysabri if I had known the rebound effect existed? I most probably would have because there were no other viable options for me at that time after failing on two of the DMTs.

            However, in the almost 5 years of taking Tysabri not once did anyone ever mention this rebound effect was a possibility. My neuro didn't even mention it when I told him I was going to stop Tysabri.

            Even when I switched to my current neurologist he never mentioned this to me. It was only when I was admitted to the hospital this week that I first heard of this. I thought I was having a relapse in late October/early November and had called him on Nov. 5 to tell him about the leg weakness and other issues. I dutifully took my 20 Prednisone pills a day for the three days and I just continued to get worse.

            Last week was a day by day worsening of the leg weakness, and then my arms and hands became extremely weak, and then it was my torso and I couldn't even sit up without being propped up by something. I'm no better than I was when I was in the hospital.

            This isn't a true relapse so steroids wouldn't be effective as proven by the round I had in early November. It's frustrating to know there's not much I can do in almost any sense of the word, not much research to even give me an idea of how long this could last or what I could do that may shorten the length of this rebound effect. There are just no answers for any of this.

            I just want to get back to my life, back to my job, back to being able to do anything that doesn't exhaust me within two minutes. My cats brushing up against my calves make them spasm, the pain from my limbs basically being dead weight and frozen into place becomes excruciating at times, I can't even hold up my Nook to read because my muscles fatigue and spasm within minutes. This is worse than any relapse I have dealt with.

            I am staying as positive as I can, even if I may sound like a whiner. It's just that I can find very little information about this rebound effect and I know that it's real and it's happening to me.

            If anyone else has gone through it, I'd like to read about your story and get any tips you may have. As I posted above I am doing everything in my power to get past this so I can focus on the other health issues I am dealing with that are bringing me to Mayo Clinic in MN in early January. I am resting as much as possible, eating well, drinking lots of water, using my walker and/or cane, I started my Tecfidera yesterday, and I am doing a lot of deep breathing and focusing on the positives in my life (and there are many, many positive things).

            Again, this post isn't meant to scare anyone or to villify Tysabri. I loved that medicine while I was on it. I'm just trying to get more informed and to maybe inform others who aren't aware that there can be a rebound effect for some people.

            I look forward to any suggestions or information anyone can provide me with.

            Thank you,
            J
            Dx RRMS 12/05, RNY Gastric Bypass 12/12, NASH Cirrhosis 12/12, JCV+ 9/13

            Copaxone started 12/05, Switched to Rebif 11/07, Tysabri 10/08-9/13, Moved to Tecfidera 12/1/13

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              #7
              Rebound Effect

              Hi J/brooks1teacher,

              Your postings are so inspirational - and so poignant. I'm so sorry that you are Rebounding; and my heart hurts for you with the liver issues as well. I can't even imagine going through two major issues simultaneously.

              I've only recently read about the Rebound Effect (doing my own research). It seems that Ty users are educated (sometimes ad naseam) about PML - don't get me wrong, it's a HUGE issue that needs education- however we should also be educated on other side effects. Like other posters, I'm equally terrified of the Rebound Effect.

              You have a wonderful outlook, despite your challenges and are quite an inspiration. I wish you the best of luck and look forward to future postings.

              P.S. I'm in a double-blind research study for the use of Ty in SPMS. Although I don't know for sure, I do believe I'm receiving the Ty.

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                #8
                Brooks1teacher,

                I am so sorry for all the physical and emotional pain you are experiencing right now. Thank you so much for posting all that you are going through so that others may benefit.

                I was about to start Ty back in Sept of 2012. I too "stumbled" across some info on the rebound effect online and it left me very unsettled. I posted on this board asking if anyone had experienced it and yes, a few folks replied that they had. My neuro at the time also said nothing until I asked about it. He didn't seem concerned and only said that some folks went back to baseline.

                I too was far more concerned with the rebound effect than the risk of PML, as I knew I did not want to be on it long term. I chose not to go on Ty.

                These boards are invaluable for sharing information as we all struggle with this disease and the not so easy choices that it forces us to make.

                You are an incredibly strong woman. Best of luck to you during these difficult days.

                Peace,
                J
                Meet me in a land of hope and dreams. -Bruce Springsteen

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                  #9
                  OT and PT

                  Both OT and PT came today to evaluate me. PT will start on Friday for three times a week and OT will be back again on Friday also.

                  I just ordered a shower transfer bench and a hand-held shower head that should arrive from Amazon Prime on Friday.

                  I am exhausted from the small arm and hand exercises we did today with the OT.

                  Friday will be rough with both a full PT and OT schedule but I'll see what I can do.

                  Thanks for your encouragement!
                  J
                  Dx RRMS 12/05, RNY Gastric Bypass 12/12, NASH Cirrhosis 12/12, JCV+ 9/13

                  Copaxone started 12/05, Switched to Rebif 11/07, Tysabri 10/08-9/13, Moved to Tecfidera 12/1/13

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                    #10
                    So sorry for all that you are experiencing

                    My Dr talked about putting his patients on Copaxone almost immediately after going off Ty. I have been on it for 7+ years with NO thoughts of going off-he was just giving me info. He is with the RMmsC and I'm pretty sure they have written about the possible rebound in one of their newsletters.

                    Good luck and my best wishes
                    Linda
                    Linda

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