The Great Legume Shunning Debacle?

[limbo-lifer.73]

O-KAY...., to quote an ancient sage (YODA),

~~~~~~~~~~~~"Confused am I!"~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm following the MS Recovery Diet, so legumes are off
my list. Yet, it seems, not all beans/peas are created
equal....in fact, some are more equal than others. So,
either Orwell had MS, or some are getting fancy-dancy
with the rules here! (check out the recipe section of
the book)

If all legumes are intrinsically evil, how come some sources say:

1) Fresh green beans, peas, and sprouts are OK. Ditto
for their frozen compatriots.

2) Somehow, fermentation makes everything all better,
negating all those pesky properties

3) Soy beans seem to have equal tendril holds firmly on
both sides of the trellis (lucky them), being
near orbs of both distain and adoration. What's up
with that?

4) Legumes are absolutely foreboden, unless you later
find you can tolerate them?

SOOOooo, I get that one picks the diet that works for you,
pick-and-chose, ....yeah,.... yeah....

But, surely there are reasons founded in logic and
scientific evidence to be followed here, or we're looking
at the "Gumby Rules" of dietary engagement!

My question (and you already knew eventually I'd get
around to asking one) is:

Where do all of you bean abstainers, in all of their alleged
forms of glory, come down on this mind riveting
conundrum?

I've already given away (to good homes) all of my prized
dry bean collection...and the soy sauce with all of it's
derivatives...bannished from my pantry as well...sigh....

But, and it's a big one, is that I've held on to the canned green/
yellow beans (two bean salad), as well as the frozen green
beans and peas. I've also, wistfully, avoided the fresh bean
sprouts, and pea pods...hoping for a reprieve from on high,
ie: this forum.

So, what's the skinny here? Who's right, who's wrong,
and who's straddling the proverbial trellis? And most
importantly, WHY?

me

[Sequoia]

If you'll scroll down to post #10 on the following thread, you'll be directed to an explanation of why no legumes:

[url]http://www.msworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1338290&[/url]
highlight=legumes#post1338290

Some sources regard legumes as less of a problem than gluten &/or dairy.

The Best Bet Diet doesn't allow legumes at all.

I, personally, do eat some legumes for protein (I'm a strict vegan).

[Twenty Miles]

I essentially follow Best Bet, and I do not eat legumes at all. I went gluten free, etc. for months and did not start to feel "recovery" until I got rid of the legumes.

For me legumes like gluten are strictly forbidden from my diet. No fermented...no soy....none.

the diet i try is all things in moderation, i dont think the cure is any diet, if it was then you would see all those who eat healthy would be cured.... spent 2 years eating healthy, back in the 80's when my first wife died of breast cancer, all organic's only cooked in earthen vessels or steamed in bamboo steamers and juiced..... colonics 3 times a week and hydro therapy for what i ask? to see my wife get sick and die and see me get weaker than a 98 pound weaklin, so i say if a diet is something you enjoy i say go for it, if you enjoy meat and all they junk i say go for it, bottom line is everyone has a psalm and doctrine everybody is right everbody is wrong...... The way i see i would much rather die having fun than die on some regiment that has be eating things i dont like ..

I'm on the Jelenik diet and LOVE it. I never felt better. But I think diets are more like choosing a car. You can ask people which is better, you can even do some research, but there doesn't end up being conclusive proof of one over the other - there can't be because the testing is nearly impossible to perform. And to add one more detail on the car analogy - some people have great luck with cars that have poor ratings.

I'm personally not convinced about the whole paleo thing, and I eat legumes as part of the Overcomming Multiple Sclerosis Diet. However, I firmly believe that if you are going to do a diet, you should do it properly. They all have their own logic and once you let go of one rule, it's a slippery slope and you're soon eating fried chicken. So I recommend sticking solidly to the one you find is best for you.

[nutritiontara]

Here's my take on beans.

If you sprout em they are now a plant and you can digest em!

That's the form I eat and recommend.

[unscrambled]

1. Your post is hilarious and true-feeling to me, OP. I mean, how much contradictory advice can you get? The only thing everyone agrees on is that leafy greens are great.

WE CAN'T JUST LIVE ON KALE

2. I agree with BigA, the diet stuff does feel like buying a car. The low fat and vegan diets make me feel totally wrecked, and the paleo-style seems to make me feel better, though my current MRI doesn't look that great. I've decided to me more adherent to the diet.

3. Question for Tara: how much sprouting of legumes is enough? Like, an overnight soak? Or a full on sprout? Inquiring minds want to know!

[SwedishPrince]

"...once you let go of one rule, it's a slippery slope and you're soon eating fried chicken." My wife is still smiling at that thought. She says it could be a metaphor for life in general.

[nutritiontara]

an overnight soak, change water, then cook is a great start.

I at least wait until I see the root break the legume; and start eating them....then each day a little more plant is exposed.

[Sapphiresgold]

Panda Bears. Proof that even vegans can get fat...

[Sequoia]

Originally Posted by Sapphiresgold

Panda Bears. Proof that even vegans can get fat...

True; but on the whole, vegan populations of [U]humans[/U] tend to be on the lean side.