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    Quest for Fire

    Quest for Fire was a movie, circa 1978 - 1981, that told the epic story of the earliest neanderthal's quest to find flame. Early man had not figured out how to create fire yet, it had to be "found".

    My Quest for Fire is a little different. I'm trying to ignite a spark, rekindle a flame, that has been burned out. We're talking nerve damage, impulses cut off from the muscle, the muscle withers and dies. We must ignite a spark within that shredded nervous system, create a flame that burns a new pathway...a bridge of life. But how?

    Whenever I prepare for battle with this disease there's a little voice always whispering, "You fool, you have no chance. Your a delusional Don Quixote chasing windmills. There is no hope!"

    To that I say...it would'nt be the first time.

    My belief is that there is only one way to fight this disease...this aggressive, progressive MS that takes from you bit by bit like a piranha chasing it's prey. You have to take a lesson from an ancient battle:

    "They were outnumbered 10 to 1, completely surrounded, weary and wounded, on the verge of total defeat. The King ordered a full out attack, what was left of his army attacked with a victory or death fury. After a ferocious assault, the King quickly regrouped his forces and launched another furious attack and then another. The opposing army became unnerved by the relentless ferocity of the attacks from an army that was on the brink of total annihilation. The opposing army fled in retreat." True story although the details escape me.

    My plan is to assault my central nervous system, through intense physical therapy, hammering those burned out connections over and over again until a spark is created or the connection is blown out completely. I have been working with two physical therapists with a combined experience of 50 + years. I have been working with them for 3 months now. By strengthening my body, especially my core...and with the help of a couple of small assistance devices, a 24" x 8" sliding board and small rope ladder, I can now get myself in and out of bed with absolutely no human assistance and I can get in and out of a car. As long as I have the capability to exercise hard, and I still do, I will use it. Thank God I can still stand on my own and my right arm is strong.

    This, however, is only half the equation. I could relentlessly work out 7 days a week but until the progression of the disease slows down or stops...it is a futile effort. Imagine pulling on a tightly wound lawnmower rope over and over again, until you drop from exhaustion. The engine won't start if the internal combustion mechanisms are corroded and broken.

    The second half of the equation is treatment, serious disease modification drugs that are intended to slow progression by reducing inflammatory episodes or seriously weakening the immune system. To that end, my quest has been going on for years:

    Two years seeing an MS Specialist neurologist at a well regarded clinic. He said treatment would be more harmful than helpful.

    One year finding another neurologist, who after all the testing was done said that the advanced, rapid progressing nature of my MS was beyond his experience...not comfortable recommending treatment.

    Another full year finding another MS Specialist Neurologist, who I finally saw this June. After looking at all the MRI results that had discouraged all the others, she still talked treatment... but let's take some more MRI's first and more blood work.

    An appointment was set for August 5th to review the latest results and discuss treatment options (Tysabri / Gilenya). On Aug. 1st, the appointment was unscheduled due to closing of their Scottsdale office. Patients would have to be rescheduled to the Phoenix location. A full week went by...no call.

    I finally called last Friday and the girl I talked to was very surprised the appt. was not rescheduled...she tried to reach another nursing assistant but was unable to. She was going to leave an urgent message and I would be contacted shortly. No call came later on Friday...to say my confidence is shaken would be an understatement. This is the point where things always hit a wall. If for some reason this falls through it would mean at least another 6-9 months before treatment, if not longer.

    Quite frankly, it's "do or die" time. I need to start treatment soon. I need to slow down the progression just enough for the physical therapy to gain a foothold, get ahead of the disease progression. If not, barring a miracle, at the current rate of progression over the past 5 years I will have two...three years at most as a functional human being. Game Over!

    #2
    I want to be rid of this disease more than anything else in the world. I'd practically throw a virgin into a volcano. Have you read Dave's Active MSers blog? His aggressive MS is seemingly arrested by the stem cell transplant that he received. Even if that isn't your speed I think you would enjoy his tireless effort to defeat MS and keep working out and traveling.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Windwalker View Post
      An appointment was set for August 5th to review the latest results and discuss treatment options (Tysabri / Gilenya). On Aug. 1st, the appointment was unscheduled due to closing of their Scottsdale office. Patients would have to be rescheduled to the Phoenix location. A full week went by...no call.

      I finally called last Friday and the girl I talked to was very surprised the appt. was not rescheduled...she tried to reach another nursing assistant but was unable to. She was going to leave an urgent message and I would be contacted shortly. No call came later on Friday...to say my confidence is shaken would be an understatement. This is the point where things always hit a wall. If for some reason this falls through it would mean at least another 6-9 months before treatment, if not longer.

      Quite frankly, it's "do or die" time. I need to start treatment soon. I need to slow down the progression just enough for the physical therapy to gain a foothold, get ahead of the disease progression. If not, barring a miracle, at the current rate of progression over the past 5 years I will have two...three years at most as a functional human being. Game Over!
      Hi Windwalker,

      I am praying a call comes through tomorrow with your rescheduled date and that a treatment plan is implemented soon.

      Please keep us posted,
      Bree

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        #4
        Hey Windwalker, you are very stoic. So I'm going to tell you about something I have used to repair my nerves although there is no scientific proof (in our language).

        Three years ago, I had a bad relapse. I started going to an acupuncturist who was really good and it helped a lot but it would only last for a week. However, she had this thing called a full length BioMat that I laid on during the 45 minutes I was there every week. It had some pretty profound effects on me so I bought a mini one and they are pretty expensive. The mini one was $600. It is full of amethyst crystals so it's like lying on a bed of rocks but it is not uncomfortable and I'm a real whiner :-)

        I did tons of research on it and found out a lot. The mat emits far infrared light which is not the same as infrared heat. Infrared heat does not penetrate the surface, far infrared I'd further down the spectrum and so it penetrates deep inside the body. The amethyst, because of it's crystalline structure, just happens to translates the electricity coming through the mat into far infrared light. Jade also does this but not as well. As you lie on the mat, your core body temperature is raised but you don't really feel it.

        The result is your blood flow is increased and set on high, it's even a cardiovascular workout. Increased blow flow heals almost everything and you also produce fresh new blood. But no one should go from low setting to high setting quickly. You must work up to it slowly and carefully. Anyway, during my relapse I was thinking, if MS is a blood flow problem, (CCSVI or whatever the acronym is) this should help, so I put it under my head and put it on high for 45 minutes and the nect day I started getting better from that relapse and did fully recover.

        Now three years later, I've deteriorated for other reasons I think are not entirely MS. And I should have used the mat more often, but instead started using it for my pets, to dramatic effect, esp. for elderly ones with arthritis. It does wonders for arthritis and constipation, it will dramatically get you regular.

        So recently I got a full length mat to work on my whole body but haven't used it all that much...yet! I will! Before I got the full length one, I was having terrible hot foot problems in the foot where I had nerve damage from breaking that ankle 5 years ago and that is gone, healed. I'm working up to using it more along with the mini one to put under my head since the full length one goes from shoulders to feet, at least for me since I'm tall.

        The mini one I bought through my acupuncturist, who makes no commission but the second one I bought directly from the manufacturer via Amazon. It will also help me lose weight since it's a cardiovascular workout. So I thought I'd tell you about this in case you might have an acupuncturist near you who uses one and you could try it out there. Not just acupuncturists have them, other types of healers do too. Anyway, I'll be posting about when I use mine more along with the mini one. It's not accepted by allopathic practitioners but they don't really have viable options that I'm aware of? I do know that amethyst is used by some other industries for some amazing stuff though. It's structure is just very handy for lots of things. It sounds woo woo but is not.
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        "It's never crowded along the extra mile." --Dr. Wayne Dyer

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          #5
          Originally posted by dyin_myelin View Post
          I want to be rid of this disease more than anything else in the world. I'd practically throw a virgin into a volcano. Have you read Dave's Active MSers blog? His aggressive MS is seemingly arrested by the stem cell transplant that he received. Even if that isn't your speed I think you would enjoy his tireless effort to defeat MS and keep working out and traveling.
          I have not read this blog...yet.

          Dave is very fortunate to either be a Canadian citizen, which would cover the MS Stem Cell Bone Marrow transplant as part of their National health plan OR he has $150,000 to go to Israel or Germany OR he got into one of two trials here in the US.

          This surgery is my "holy grail", I would do it in a heartbeat.
          If you read the Northwestern University trial, the best results occurred in the small % of MS'ers with a very aggressive, progressive course.

          First, I keep pounding the CNS...then I try a DMD...meanwhile, work every angle I can to get into a stem cell trial or get my butt over to Germany.

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            #6
            Ok so glad I wasted my time replying. Good luck.
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            "It's never crowded along the extra mile." --Dr. Wayne Dyer

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              #7
              Originally posted by Windwalker View Post
              I have not read this blog...yet.

              Dave is very fortunate to either be a Canadian citizen, which would cover the MS Stem Cell Bone Marrow transplant as part of their National health plan OR he has $150,000 to go to Israel or Germany OR he got into one of two trials here in the US.

              This surgery is my "holy grail", I would do it in a heartbeat.
              If you read the Northwestern University trial, the best results occurred in the small % of MS'ers with a very aggressive, progressive course.

              First, I keep pounding the CNS...then I try a DMD...meanwhile, work every angle I can to get into a stem cell trial or get my butt over to Germany.

              Even better, (I didn't know he had an account here, but apparently he does) he paid for it himself but got his insurance company to reimburse him plus interest. There's a Youtube vid too.

              http://www.msworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=133955

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                #8
                Originally posted by dyin_myelin View Post
                Even better, (I didn't know he had an account here, but apparently he does) he paid for it himself but got his insurance company to reimburse him plus interest. There's a Youtube vid too.

                http://www.msworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=133955
                I have actually seen a few minutes of this? His insurance was Keystone if I remember correctly. Please tell me...where did he go? Are there more options for this surgery than the ones I previously laid out? Can't get YouTube to work...slow network.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by RockysMom View Post
                  Ok so glad I wasted my time replying. Good luck.
                  Please don't feel you wasted your time. I am extremely grateful for each and every response. Fact is I just don't buy into "crystals" or any other new age, totally outside mainstream medical science type of approaches. Stoic? I thought the post was quite passionate.

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                    #10
                    After 3 phone calls over 2 weeks...appt. on Sep. 3, let's hope it holds.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Windwalker View Post
                      I have actually seen a few minutes of this? His insurance was Keystone if I remember correctly. Please tell me...where did he go? Are there more options for this surgery than the ones I previously laid out? Can't get YouTube to work...slow network.
                      Hi WW,

                      I had posted to HSCT forum where Dave also posts asking about his insurance type and a few more questions, but no responses so far. Dave received the HALT-MS aggressive clinical trial in Houston using high dose chemotherapy. Dr. Richard Burt also performs HSCT (he has deemed myeleablative risky with no additional benefit) in Chicago, I do think that you have to be part of one of his trials to participate.

                      In the Medications and Treatments there is a SCT sub-forum. Katje was going to have it done, but she went into a flare--but I am sure she knows a lot of details about whom he accepts, costs, risks, etc. Of course you are probably aware of the medical tourism industry growing around the procedure, in Moscow, Italy, and Israel. There was an Australian 60 Minutes segment on a woman with MS, new mother, couldn't walk well (of course I started to cry and carried on until the end), segue to treatment and then running on the beach. Now, this clinic is booked through 2017 with hopeful MS sufferers from all over AU, and one heart attack death involving a woman suffering from stiff persons' syndrome. Dr. Fedorenko had been claiming 0 mortality; with additional attention I would be interested to see if that holds. In US dollars his procedure would be around $50,000. I haven't priced out anywhere else but sure it is six figures+ out of pocket in the US. Forgive the tardy reply, I was trying to get more information about the insurance.

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                        #12
                        Thank you very much dyin_myelin. Need to research this HALT-MS approach. Initially it does not sound like the stem cell treatment I'm thinking of.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by RockysMom View Post
                          Ok so glad I wasted my time replying. Good luck.
                          I appreciated your post so much and I'm going to look into this. Thanks for taking the time.

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                            #14
                            How you know you overdid it...

                            If you read the original post you know my strategy is to push my CNS by working hard, physically. Dave worked 2 hours a day, 7 days a week to qualify for that trial. The "Blu Sky" video also sends a message, at least to me, of working through the downturns.

                            But we have been conditioned to be careful of "overdoing" it. We need to throw out that term.

                            But it is a valid concern. We can overdo it. To me this means reaching a point where you trigger a reaction from the CNS.

                            Yesterday I triggered my first reaction. The last exercise during an hour long session...leg kicks. After the first set, I became light headed, got a headache...and I never get headaches. Cog fog immediately set in.

                            During the second set, I almost "called it" a few times but finished the set. I had the "cog fog" all night and it is with me today. Tomorrow is another session...will I be ready? How much of a reaction would I get if I plow ahead with another brutal workout. Hopefully I am recovered by then but I think this is where I was trying to get all along.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Windwalker View Post
                              If you read the original post you know my strategy is to push my CNS by working hard, physically. Dave worked 2 hours a day, 7 days a week to qualify for that trial. The "Blu Sky" video also sends a message, at least to me, of working through the downturns.

                              But we have been conditioned to be careful of "overdoing" it. We need to throw out that term.

                              But it is a valid concern. We can overdo it. To me this means reaching a point where you trigger a reaction from the CNS.

                              Yesterday I triggered my first reaction. The last exercise during an hour long session...leg kicks. After the first set, I became light headed, got a headache...and I never get headaches. Cog fog immediately set in.

                              During the second set, I almost "called it" a few times but finished the set. I had the "cog fog" all night and it is with me today. Tomorrow is another session...will I be ready? How much of a reaction would I get if I plow ahead with another brutal workout. Hopefully I am recovered by then but I think this is where I was trying to get all along.
                              Just want to tell you Good Luck and keep Fighting!

                              Bree

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