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    #16
    According to the site, not only is it shorter, it's thinner:
    http://www.avonex.com/once-weekly-injections.xml

    Click on the "compare needle sizes" link to see a pic.

    I can tell you from experience, it is completely possible to inject into muscle with a 5/8" needle, especially when using an auto-injecting device. That's a big part of the ouch for users of the Copaxone Auto-Inflictor using the wrong settings.

    According to this : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21999176
    bio-markers that indicate interferon action were similar using the pen as the standard syringe.

    Either way, a 5/8" needle will hit muscle for most folks, especially when properly injected in the right area. I'd also encourage you to Google "Epi-Pen". It gets injected IM in the same area as the Avonex pen and has a needle of about 5/8" in an automatic injection gadget. This explains how it's able to inject deeper than its needle length with compression on tissue by the activation mechanism of the injecting device: http://www.omicsonline.org/2155-6121...6.php?aid=5473

    It's one of those things you do have to check with the dr. It's a one size fits average kind of thing. Someone larger than average may need the longer needle, but it seems according to studies, a needle of the shorter length will work for most.

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      #17
      I was so excited about the pen when my doctor told me it was going to come out a few months ago - how great it would be to just push a button and the injection is done! Now that it's out I'm not so sure.

      I agree the shorter needle makes me nervous it's not going to go in the muscle and I don't like that you can only inject with it in the outer thigh. I do rotate my injections there, but I also like to be able to give them on the top of my thigh, they don't seem to be as painful there.

      I also don't like the instructions that you have to keep it in your leg while you count to 10 slowly - I can do my injections manually in half that time. I'd be ready to yank it out before the injection was done! As much as I was looking forward to this, I don't think I'll make the switch to the pen.

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        #18
        I have recorded my injection technique but now need to figure out how to get off my phone and on to you tube. Stay tuned............

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          #19
          proper IM tecnique via You Tube

          Here it is. Hope this helps!!!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1uMWOIgck

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            #20
            Ah - you make it look easy - I have shorter, thinner nails sent with my shipment and I'm getting the autoinjector and won't look back. It's pretty easy to get to the muscle on the thigh if you have a relatively normal BMI.

            I'd ask the doctor otherwise, but in general, I doubt it would be approved if it didn't work. I can imaginetha tthe folks at Biogen are curious that people are complaining the needle is too short!

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